grain, contrast etc... in different scenes...

[Alex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matt Pacini:
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Scene transition shots can mask grain differences from scene to scene.

If you end one scene with a close-up, then the way you start the next scene can either mask or draw attention to the grain and color differences of the film.

(Matt Pacini responds):
Alex, have you actually done this or are you guessing?
Because I have done it both ways, and the look of the different film stocks is so shocking, that it is irrelevant what your transitions are.
If the stocks were close in grain & look, that would be one thing, but they aren't, and especially K-40, which looks completely different than any of the other S8 stocks, and has MUCH finer grain.
Again, anyone doubting this should get a copy of my film on ebay (sorry to plug, if I could afford it I would give them out for free), and watch it.
You will see completely different transitions between scenes, and similar ones: brightly lit outdoor scenes cutting to a dark, moody Temple Sacrifice scene inside of a cave, with deep blue light shining down on the cave walls, etc.
You can still see a huge shift in grain structure.
Yeah, stick to the K-40.
I've never yet heard anyone ever say they were sorry for having shot something on S8 K-40, have you?

Matt Pacini

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I'm basing my experiences on editing over the last 8-10 years.

If you ever want to see grain reduction that I can do for you, send me one betacam-sp tape of an Ektachrome film transfer done via rank cintel...

...I'll send you back the original betacam sp and a re-mastered beta copy that looks marketedly less grainy.

-Alex



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[Matt Pacini]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alex:
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"If you ever want to see grain reduction that I can do for you, send me one betacam-sp tape of an Ektachrome film transfer done via rank cintel...
...I'll send you back the original betacam sp and a re-mastered beta copy that looks marketedly less grainy. "

What magic process do you use to get rid of grain?
In MY experience, grain is the most detailed thing in the image, it is PART of the image itself, and the only way to simulate it not being there, is to apply blur filters on it, which ruins the sharpness.
It also doesn't work if the grain is so large, that there is not much apparent sharpness in the image.
I would very much like to know how you do this, because I've got grain the size of freakin' hubcaps in my Ektachrome footage!
(Or more accurately, it looks like I shot through a glass box full of about 500,000 gnats attached to the front of my lens! Hideous stuff, that Ektachrome!!!! They should discontinue it at once!)

Matt Pacini


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[Alex]

I'd rather try it and see if you like it..rather than give away the recipe.

I tried the grain reduction on a piece of kodachrome that was ringing so bad from "sharpness" and grain, and I managed to get it looking very acceptable for someone...the transfer house shall remain nameless.

-Alex

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[Matt Pacini]

I would like to add to the "use transitions to hide grain" or whatever.
There are so many limiting factors when planning your shots, and then in editing, that it would be a bad idea to add another limiting factor to the mix.
In other words, maybe when you're editing your film, the best thing to cut to for the story, is not the best thing to cut to, according to your "transition formula".
The story should always win out, and I can't imagine, when storyboarding, thinking about what shot is best, based on how grainy & different the stocks are going to make my scenes.
There are just too many other factors imposing themselves on the process, without adding another one that has no benefit to the telling of the story.

Matt Pacini


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[daviddolores]

I am very glad to learn that K40 is better in low light, and Matt, the hubcap-sized grain in your Ekta rings familiar. I am very inclined to never use it again myself.

I have no film knowledge to contribute here, but I do happen to know that "Weasels Ripped My Flesh" is a Frank Zappa album, so you can probably find out more about the film by slogging through Zappa-history.

DD

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[Jambu]

http://members.aol.com/shockcin/longisland.html

here' s where you can find a review of THE LONG ISLAND CANNIBAL MASSACRE (1983) by Nathan H. Schiff.

He made also a movie called WEASELS RIPP MY FLESH in the late '70s and that's the one i think shooted in S8.

However WEASELS RIPPED MY FLESH is also an album by Frank ?Broken hearts are for assholes? Zappa.

JAMBU

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[Matt Pacini]

WEASELS RIPPED MY FLESH has one of the best album covers too.... a classic.
Almost as good as Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica cover....

Matt Pacini

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